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		<title>By: Nat</title>
		<link>http://www.simpleandloveable.com/is-there-really-a-shortage-of-girls-in-technology/comment-page-1#comment-4279</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha thanks Brian! Paul, Geek Girl Dinners are hardly undercover! They are well advertised, have a website  etc and tickets tend to sell out the day they are posted. We&#039;re not suggesting cloak and daggers, just that maybe when you hear about an event, you buy a ticket. These events are exactly what you&#039;re after. A showcase of what interests geek girls (well some of us, I can&#039;t talk for everyone) AND they are open to ALL. We even had some male participants :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha thanks Brian! Paul, Geek Girl Dinners are hardly undercover! They are well advertised, have a website  etc and tickets tend to sell out the day they are posted. We&#8217;re not suggesting cloak and daggers, just that maybe when you hear about an event, you buy a ticket. These events are exactly what you&#8217;re after. A showcase of what interests geek girls (well some of us, I can&#8217;t talk for everyone) AND they are open to ALL. We even had some male participants :)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian (Shadowfoot)</title>
		<link>http://www.simpleandloveable.com/is-there-really-a-shortage-of-girls-in-technology/comment-page-1#comment-4181</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian (Shadowfoot)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like we need some some GGD styled events open for general participation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like we need some some GGD styled events open for general participation.</p>
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		<title>By: Strings</title>
		<link>http://www.simpleandloveable.com/is-there-really-a-shortage-of-girls-in-technology/comment-page-1#comment-4175</link>
		<dc:creator>Strings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep at it.  Volunteer.  Take over the Geek-World.  Become President of the Computer Society.  Join Women in Technology.

When (much) younger I used to always prefer to hire woman as analysts designers and programmers - their logic was logical and they always got on with delivering the output, whereas a real geek guy wanted to tweak one little routine to death because it was interesting.  Thank Gaia my daughter (one of them) continues the family tradition of geekiness.

Go well, live long, prosper and have happy daze</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep at it.  Volunteer.  Take over the Geek-World.  Become President of the Computer Society.  Join Women in Technology.</p>
<p>When (much) younger I used to always prefer to hire woman as analysts designers and programmers &#8211; their logic was logical and they always got on with delivering the output, whereas a real geek guy wanted to tweak one little routine to death because it was interesting.  Thank Gaia my daughter (one of them) continues the family tradition of geekiness.</p>
<p>Go well, live long, prosper and have happy daze</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry I thought you were complaining.  I guess I was confused by what you wrote in your own article:

&quot;Each of them had the same complaint: EVERYONE thinks Iâ€™m in PR!&quot;

;)

My point was that you suggested that in order to run women friendly events we should somehow locate and sneak into a woman-dominated event and try to work out what the women like about it.

I suggest that&#039;s a rather unfeasible approach.  Women are always telling us that they are the better communicators.  Would it not be a lot easier if you just told us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry I thought you were complaining.  I guess I was confused by what you wrote in your own article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Each of them had the same complaint: EVERYONE thinks Iâ€™m in PR!&#8221;</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>My point was that you suggested that in order to run women friendly events we should somehow locate and sneak into a woman-dominated event and try to work out what the women like about it.</p>
<p>I suggest that&#8217;s a rather unfeasible approach.  Women are always telling us that they are the better communicators.  Would it not be a lot easier if you just told us?</p>
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		<title>By: Nat</title>
		<link>http://www.simpleandloveable.com/is-there-really-a-shortage-of-girls-in-technology/comment-page-1#comment-4170</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. This conversation always gets so difficult. I&#039;m NOT complaining, I&#039;m pointing out that we are on the road to sorting this gender imbalance out. I don&#039;t know why every time a girl mentions the lack of girls in technology or the reasons why, we get dismissed for simply complaining. it is NOT complaining, it is coming up with constructive ways to fix the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. This conversation always gets so difficult. I&#8217;m NOT complaining, I&#8217;m pointing out that we are on the road to sorting this gender imbalance out. I don&#8217;t know why every time a girl mentions the lack of girls in technology or the reasons why, we get dismissed for simply complaining. it is NOT complaining, it is coming up with constructive ways to fix the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Hoult</title>
		<link>http://www.simpleandloveable.com/is-there-really-a-shortage-of-girls-in-technology/comment-page-1#comment-4164</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Hoult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, another thing :-)

I&#039;ve repeatedly found that when looking for something in Dick Smith, if there is a female staff member then she will be a very good bet for being clued up about what they&#039;ve got and what it can do -- as opposed to most of the guys they employ.  I&#039;ve found this in at least the Porirua, Johnsonville and Vivian St stores over a period of a few years.

This seems positive to me, though maybe it could be construed as meaning that a woman has to be twice as good to get hired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, another thing :-)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve repeatedly found that when looking for something in Dick Smith, if there is a female staff member then she will be a very good bet for being clued up about what they&#8217;ve got and what it can do &#8212; as opposed to most of the guys they employ.  I&#8217;ve found this in at least the Porirua, Johnsonville and Vivian St stores over a period of a few years.</p>
<p>This seems positive to me, though maybe it could be construed as meaning that a woman has to be twice as good to get hired.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Hoult</title>
		<link>http://www.simpleandloveable.com/is-there-really-a-shortage-of-girls-in-technology/comment-page-1#comment-4163</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Hoult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt that you have the experiences you say you do, but I find that I often have the diametrically opposite one -- I find a woman in a tech setting (typically when I&#039;m looking for help) and launch into an explanation of what I need only to be met with a blank stare and a suggestion that I talk to &quot;someone technical&quot;.  I&#039;m sorry, I assumed I was already.

On the other hand it may be the case that when I make the same assumption and mistake with a male they try to bullshit their way through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that you have the experiences you say you do, but I find that I often have the diametrically opposite one &#8212; I find a woman in a tech setting (typically when I&#8217;m looking for help) and launch into an explanation of what I need only to be met with a blank stare and a suggestion that I talk to &#8220;someone technical&#8221;.  I&#8217;m sorry, I assumed I was already.</p>
<p>On the other hand it may be the case that when I make the same assumption and mistake with a male they try to bullshit their way through.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People assuming you are the secretary is unfair but hardly a deliberate or malicious act on anyone&#039;s part.  If 98% of the tech people you meet are male then anyone would be surprised to find a tech girl.  Women make lots of assumptions about &#039;all men&#039; as well :)

I&#039;m sure all geek guys would love to see more women at our events, but how would we achieve that?  If there is something we can do better, then please don&#039;t keep it a secret.  Enlighten us rather than just complaining about it.

Let&#039;s face it, the chances of most of us finding ourselves at a women-dominated tech event are pretty slim.

The picture I have in my head is like a tupperware party with iPhones.  How close am I? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People assuming you are the secretary is unfair but hardly a deliberate or malicious act on anyone&#8217;s part.  If 98% of the tech people you meet are male then anyone would be surprised to find a tech girl.  Women make lots of assumptions about &#8216;all men&#8217; as well :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure all geek guys would love to see more women at our events, but how would we achieve that?  If there is something we can do better, then please don&#8217;t keep it a secret.  Enlighten us rather than just complaining about it.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, the chances of most of us finding ourselves at a women-dominated tech event are pretty slim.</p>
<p>The picture I have in my head is like a tupperware party with iPhones.  How close am I? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Nat</title>
		<link>http://www.simpleandloveable.com/is-there-really-a-shortage-of-girls-in-technology/comment-page-1#comment-4159</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say so! I find it more of a learning environment, where people aren&#039;t afraid to look silly or to admit they don&#039;t know. Huge range of people etc, and clearly very stylish because Decisive Flow goes along.

I concur, we need a more relaxed atmosphere sometimes. Sometimes intensity works, sometimes you just want to sit back and chat about interesting stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say so! I find it more of a learning environment, where people aren&#8217;t afraid to look silly or to admit they don&#8217;t know. Huge range of people etc, and clearly very stylish because Decisive Flow goes along.</p>
<p>I concur, we need a more relaxed atmosphere sometimes. Sometimes intensity works, sometimes you just want to sit back and chat about interesting stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t been to a girl geek session - but is it less intense than a typical boy geek meetup? I would not be adverse to more stylish and relaxed meetups. The hardest thing I find about being around nerds is how intense it is. More relaxation, style and confidence would be a welcome addition to the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been to a girl geek session &#8211; but is it less intense than a typical boy geek meetup? I would not be adverse to more stylish and relaxed meetups. The hardest thing I find about being around nerds is how intense it is. More relaxation, style and confidence would be a welcome addition to the community.</p>
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